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Voyage RME Discontinued

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:20 pm
by chysn
This is interesting:

http://www.moogmusic.com/news/moog-rele ... onic-synth

There isn't much precedent for the modern Moog discontinuing synths; but this is interesting because almost two years after the Little Phatty was discontinued, the Slim Phatty is still in production. I wonder if this is happening to make way for a big module based on the Sub37 electronics.

Re: Voyage RME Discontinued

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:35 pm
by Benzebub
I'm really hoping they release the "Sub zero" sometime soon. Due to the format I have not really been interrested in the Sub 37.
Makes you wonder how long time the Voyager have left now.

Re: Voyage RME Discontinued

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:58 pm
by Paul Dither
chysn wrote:This is interesting:

http://www.moogmusic.com/news/moog-rele ... onic-synth

There isn't much precedent for the modern Moog discontinuing synths; but this is interesting because almost two years after the Little Phatty was discontinued, the Slim Phatty is still in production. I wonder if this is happening to make way for a big module based on the Sub37 electronics.


I'm not sure whether I misunderstood your post, but the Slim Phatty was discontinued last November, followed by the Moogerfoogers 105, 107, and 104M this spring.

But yeah, they might introduce a rack module version of the Sub 37 at some point. Or they may be working on something bigger already that is going to replace the Voyager series, although that would be quite a big cut in terms of Bob Moog's legacy.

Re: Voyage RME Discontinued

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:20 am
by chysn
I'm not sure whether I misunderstood your post, but the Slim Phatty was discontinued last November, followed by the Moogerfoogers 105, 107, and 104M this spring.


Not a misunderstanding on your part; I was just mistaken. For some reason, I thought it was still in production.

A local-ish used music store recently had a Voyager RME for $1500 U.S., which I thought was an insane price. But that trip to Ireland sort of tapped us out, so that wasn't in the cards.

Anyway, I would recommend taking a listen to the Robert Rich EP, which is largely Voyager RME sounds.

Re: Voyage RME Discontinued

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:15 am
by Paul Dither
chysn wrote:Not a misunderstanding on your part; I was just mistaken. For some reason, I thought it was still in production.

A local-ish used music store recently had a Voyager RME for $1500 U.S., which I thought was an insane price. But that trip to Ireland sort of tapped us out, so that wasn't in the cards.

Anyway, I would recommend taking a listen to the Robert Rich EP, which is largely Voyager RME sounds.


Ah, I see.

$1500 is a pretty good deal for a Voyager RME. It's a shame that the offer came so untimely.

I just listened to the Robert Rich EP. Good stuff and lots of great sounds.

Re: Voyage RME Discontinued

PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:48 am
by namnibor
From the Robert Rich EP performed with only Voyager RME, a great tune called Netaplexy:https://soundcloud.com/moogmusicinc/2netaplexy?in=moogmusicinc/sets/hiding-in-daylight-robert-rich

Moog can just go ahead and make that rack mounted knobby Sub 37 so I can add it to my Sub 37 Tribute...and Moog is a small company, so it only makes sense to make room for focus on what's in the pipes. I doubt they will discontinue any time soon, their current flagship monster, Voyager and Voyager Extreme, but whatever the case, am pretty impressed with my now year-long relationship with Moog and that's indeed what it feels like. They have a great business model, have their Moog Studio that brings in minions of artists, using only Moog equipment in lieu of however the artist typically would perform, just showing the power and diversity of analog, not just the organic side.
Have also learned more/additional practical technics about synthesis just in the very wealth of info on forum threads on Moog Forum.
Moog currently has a huge hit with the Sub 37...that recent update blew me away and still does.

Re: Voyage RME Discontinued

PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:46 am
by Paul Dither
namnibor wrote:I doubt they will discontinue any time soon, their current flagship monster, Voyager and Voyager Extreme, but whatever the case, am pretty impressed with my now year-long relationship with Moog and that's indeed what it feels like. They have a great business model, have their Moog Studio that brings in minions of artists, using only Moog equipment in lieu of however the artist typically would perform, just showing the power and diversity of analog, not just the organic side.
Have also learned more/additional practical technics about synthesis just in the very wealth of info on forum threads on Moog Forum.
Moog currently has a huge hit with the Sub 37...that recent update blew me away and still does.


I can only agree in terms of the almost one year relationship with my Sub 37. With regard to the recently discontinued products, I'm also happy that I finally ordered a MF-104M the very last minute. It's definitely expensive, but sounds so good with the Sub 37 and/or guitars.

Re: Voyage RME Discontinued

PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:54 pm
by dslsynth
MF-104M . o O ( :shock: )

Re: Voyage RME Discontinued

PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:02 pm
by Paul Dither
dslsynth wrote:MF-104M . o O ( :shock: )


Why are you shocked?

Re: Voyage RME Discontinued

PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:06 pm
by dslsynth
Maybe not the right smiley. More like sad as given its departing the market I will never get one. Simple as that. And enjoy yours!

Re: Voyage RME Discontinued

PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:26 pm
by Paul Dither
dslsynth wrote:Maybe not the right smiley. More like sad as given its departing the market I will never get one. Simple as that. And enjoy yours!


Ah, I see. Well, to be honest it's a luxury item. I always wanted one, but postponed the purchase due to its hefty price tag. So that's basically why I didn't order one before they announced the (temporary or ultimate?) discontinuation. If there's one downside to it, it's that it's only mono. Other than that it sounds at least as expensive as it is.

On the other hand, you got to date the Izotope fairy, which is not too bad either. Congrats on that!

Re: Voyage RME Discontinued

PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:30 pm
by dslsynth
Yeah the fairy date was a nice surprise! And she are indeed cute! And fast. So it was a nice quickie! It took less than an hour from Nick getting my email address until I received the code. Awesome!

The fun thing is that I know nothing what so ever about mixing and mastering so it will an interesting learning experience for me to play with a world class tool for an entirely new topic. Guess it requires years of carefully developed listening skills to be really good at it! I look forward to that journey and are thankful to have the option!

As for the MF-104M all I can say is that you are a lucky man. Hope it will serve your music well! And do enjoy it.

My only critique of the moogerfoogers are their size. If only Moog would make a desktop unit in a more compact form factor say like the Eventide factor pedeals and especially suited for desktop use. And maybe even with stereo editions.

Trying to get back to topic: Will be interesting to see what Moog will bring out after the discontinuation of Voyager RME. A module based on Sub37 would be nice. A more evolved voice architecture would be even better!

Re: Voyage RME Discontinued

PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:04 pm
by Paul Dither
dslsynth wrote:Yeah the fairy date was a nice surprise! And she are indeed cute! And fast. So it was a nice quickie! It took less than an hour from Nick getting my email address until I received the code. Awesome!

The fun thing is that I know nothing what so ever about mixing and mastering so it will an interesting learning experience for me to play with a world class tool for an entirely new topic. Guess it requires years of carefully developed listening skills to be really good at it! I look forward to that journey and are thankful to have the option!


Haha, there you go. Now you have to do something about it.

dslsynth wrote:As for the MF-104M all I can say is that you are a lucky man. Hope it will serve your music well! And do enjoy it.


Oh, I certainly am enjoying it. It's funny, because it seems to be the most robust piece of equipment that I own, which I think is appropriate for that kind of "flagship effect". I'm planning to have it CV-controlled by the Pro 2 while running the audio signal of the Sub 37 through it.

dslsynth wrote:My only critique of the moogerfoogers are their size. If only Moog would make a desktop unit in a more compact form factor say like the Eventide factor pedeals and especially suited for desktop use. And maybe even with stereo editions.


Yeah, I see what you mean. I guess that's unlikely to happen in the near future though, since they just introduced the Minifoogers a little while ago.

dslsynth wrote:Trying to get back to topic: Will be interesting to see what Moog will bring out after the discontinuation of Voyager RME. A module based on Sub37 would be nice. A more evolved voice architecture would be even better!


At this point, I find it hard to predict. First of all, the discontinuation of a couple of past products will have a very pragmatic effect: Moog will gain resources for the assembly of the current products, which is something one shouldn't underestimate, since they are not a huge company. The decision might have also been related to recent sales figures.

As far as the development of new products goes, it's tough. The Sub 37 certainly proved to be a huge success - maybe even bigger than Moog predicted. After not even a year of being in production it sold more than 6000 times (that's at least where the current serial numbers are). This could mean two things: Due to its success, the Tribute Edition might either be produced longer than originally planned, or they will have to come up with a Standard Edition after this summer. A rack could also be a possibility, although I'm not sure how many people would be attracted to that, since the Sub 37 seems to be a perfect all-in-one monosynth solution for many - and the aspect of being self-contained includes a keyboard in this case. The question would also be, whether a Sub 37 module could be offered for around the same price as a Slim Phatty. Production costs would certainly be a bit higher due to the knobbier interface.

Moog can also still go Eurorack, especially since even Roland did so. A revision of their flagship synth might be a possibility too. But in a way, it seems still unlikely that the Voyager would be replaced anytime soon, since it's a sort of "Bob Moog legacy instrument" that has a high symbolic value. What remains are new accessories and maybe a poly synth. The latter isn't too easy, especially now the Prophet-6 proves to be such a success. So they either had to add more functionality at a lower price or do a premium poly synth that only few could afford. Like I said, I don't find it easy to predict what they could come up with.